If you follow the site, you’ll know that we do in-depth stats for Games Workshop’s Age of Sigmar system. We’ve also been tracking Old World stats at a very high level since it’s release. With the popularity of Old World as a tournament system, we’ve seen the number of events and games steadily increasing over the past year, so much so that we’ve reached a point where we can provide a little more detail into the figures that make up these win rates.
Firstly a disclaimer, these stats are based on events hosted on the website Best Coast Pairings, Stats & Ladders, and Ecksen. We do have plans to add further sites into the database in the future, and we are aware that T3 etc also have their own stats. Our advice is always to look at every source of statistics, this will give you a much more informed idea on the state of the game. Mistakes can be made, if they occur I will update the article as soon as I can with a note as to what has been changed.
The majority of our stats are taken from 2,000 point GT events where legacy factions have been allowed to take part. This is due to these being the most popular events in our database. If you wish to view the data, you can download the file at the end of this article.
Followers of Woehammer will be aware of our Elo ratings in Age of Sigmar, I have tracked these for Old World and do have the data, which is included in the matches tab on the file at the end of the document.
GT Win Rates
GT Win (2,000pts) Rates since 18th July FAQ
We’ve split out the various muster lists for factions that have already received their Arcane Journal. So for Dwarfen Mountain Holds, Kingdom of Bretonnia, Orc and Goblin Tribes, Tomb Kings of Khemri and Warriors of Chaos, you may see up to three different entries for each faction. Each of these are for the muster lists available to them, the Grand Army in the core Forces of Fantasy or Ravening Hordes books, then their two optional muster lists available inside the Arcane Journal. For simplicity we’ve cut any muster list that has less than 20 games on record at GTs.
The figure in brackets denotes the number of games where the Faction and Muster list have been used in a 2,000 point GT. Please note that mirror matches (i.e. Chaos Warriors v Chaos Warriors) have been excluded for the purpose of these statistics.
Faction/Muster List Popularity
The above shows the number of players that represented each combination of Faction and Muster Lists at 2,000 point GT events around the world.
Results Breakdown by % of Wins
The above shows the breakdown of the number of wins players finish with at 2,000 point GT with the given faction and muster list combination. The number in brackets denotes the number of games the faction and muster list combination was used at GT’s.
Once again, faction and muster list combinations with less than 20 games have been removed from this chart.
Faction % Race
Finally just for a bit of fun, the below bar chart race shows the faction % for the last 60 days at the date given at the bottom. This effectively shows the change over time.
This is the top three Old World lists the Mids GT that took place in the United Kingdom on the 20th and 21st of April. It saw 18 players vying to be crowned champion in a 5-game tournament.
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The Top Three Old World Lists
=== Mids GT Woodies [2000 pts] Warhammer: The Old World, Wood Elf Realms ===
++ Characters [775 pts] ++
Glade Lord [530 pts] – Default Weapons – Light armour – Asrai Longbow – Forest Dragon – Talisman of Protection – Ogre Blade – An Annoyance Of Netlings – A Resplendence Of Luminescents
Spellweaver [245 pts] – Hand weapon – Level 4 Wizard – On foot – Ruby Ring of Ruin – Lore Familiar – Illusion
++ Core Units [510 pts] ++
11 Deepwood Scouts [165 pts] – Hand Weapon and Asrai Longbows – Hagbane Tips
10 Deepwood Scouts [150 pts] – Hand Weapon and Asrai Longbows – Hagbane Tips
Tuskgor Chariot [85 pts] – Bestigor Crew x 1 – Hand weapons – Great weapons – Gor Crew x 1 – Hand weapon and cavalry spear – Tuskgor x 2 – Hand weapon (tusks)
Tuskgor Chariot [85 pts] – Bestigor Crew x 1 – Hand weapons – Great weapons – Gor Crew x 1 – Hand weapon and cavalry spear – Tuskgor x 2 – Hand weapon (tusks)
Tuskgor Chariot [85 pts] – Bestigor Crew x 1 – Hand weapons – Great weapons – Gor Crew x 1 – Hand weapon and cavalry spear – Tuskgor x 2 – Hand weapon (tusks)
++ Special Units [683 pts] ++
4 Dragon Ogres [259 pts] – Great weapons – Heavy armour – Shartak
4 Dragon Ogres [259 pts] – Great weapons – Heavy armour – Shartak
5 Harpies [55 pts] – Hand weapons (claws)
5 Harpies [55 pts] – Hand weapons (claws)
5 Harpies [55 pts] – Hand weapons (claws)
++ Rare Units [304 pts] ++
Dragon Ogre Shaggoth [304 pts] – Great weapon – Light armour – The Blackened Plate – Slug-skin
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=== Ogres v2 [1999 pts] Warhammer: The Old World, Ogre Kingdoms ===
++ Characters [626 pts] ++
Tyrant [293 pts] – Hand weapon – Heavy armour – On Foot – Talisman of Protection – Tenderiser – Deathcheater
Bruiser [193 pts] – Great weapon – Heavy armour – Battle Standard Bearer [Dragonhide Banner] – On Foot – Deathcheater
Butcher [140 pts] – Hand weapon – Be a Level 2 Wizard – Battle Magic
This is the top three Old World lists for the Old World First GT that took place in Sweden on the 2nd and 3rd of March. It saw 34 players vying to be crowned champion in a 5-game tournament.
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The Top Three Old World Lists
CHARACTERS Night Goblin Big Boss (112) – Great Weapon – Light Armour – Battle Standard Bearer – The Big Red Raggedy Flag Night Goblin Oddgit (85) – Wizard Level 2 Night Goblin Oddnob (215) – General – Wizard Level 4 – Dispel Scroll – Buzgob’s Gnobbly Staff Orc Warboss (340) – Shield – Heavy Armour – Wyvern – Ogre Blade – Talisman of Protection
CORE 10x Goblins (41) – Short Bows 5x Wolf Riders (70) – Short Bows – Standard Bearer 30x Night Goblins (207) – Short Bows – Standard Bearer – Boss – 3x Fanatics 40x Night Goblins (322) – Thrusting Spears – Shields – Musician – Standard Bearer – Banner of Iron Resolve – Boss – 3x Fanatics 6x Night Goblin Squig Herd (53) – 1x Squig Herder – 5x Cave Squigs
SPECIAL 1x Goblin Bolt Thrower (45) 5x Night Goblin Squig Hoppers (60)
Peter: I think every list in this top three features the Talisman of Protection.
We also see a Night Goblin Big Boss with the Big Red Raggedy Flag, and I imagine this fella will be sat with the big group of 40 Night Goblin Spearmen.
With that unit also carrying the Banner of Iron Resolve. They won’t be going anywhere.
Then we two wizards, one at level 2 and one at level 4, which I think will be a fairly common split. The level 4 also has Buzgob’s Gnobly staff to avoid any nasty miscast when trying to boost their potential spell output.
This list revolves around the 40x Night Goblins being the anvil and the Orc Warboss being the Hammer.
This list has plenty of range to harrass the enemy from afar and a nice screen of squigs to move ahead of the big block of gobbos.
There’s also a nice unit of Wolves to be used as march blockers or to try and take out enemy war machines?
Dave: Yes, I agree. There’s also the two squig units, which can cause chaos and actually hit surprisingly hard with impact hits, AP 1 and armour bane. They’re also Immune to Psychology, so don’t risk panic.
Lore of Mork is excellent too, Itchy Nuisance and Mork’s Curse are really effective debuffs.
A key point to remember with the Night Goblin units is that in this edition, you get to choose how many fanatics are released. That means they can’t be baited out by fast cavalry, and that threat can linger into the late game.
Some players have had a bit of a downer on stone throwers, but the doom divers are more accurate, allowing a D3 inch correction to the shot. Bolt throwers are also good, cheap, and effective artillery.
Peter: It’s a list that’s beaten Tomb Kings, Lizardmen, and Beastmen. Tomb Kings, I believe, are quite tough at the moment.
Dave: I’ve not had the pleasure of facing Tomb Kings yet, but from an early look at the stats and a peruse of their list, they do seem strong. Their infantry look weak at first blush but unbreakable, and regeneration for such a low cost is good, and they synergise well with the initiative shenanigans Tomb Kings can bring.
CHARACTERS Glade Lord (525) – General – Shield – Forest Dragon – Ogre Blade – Talisman of Protection – An Annoyance of Netlings Shadowdancer (135) – Trickster’s Blades – Dragon Slaying Sword Spellweaver (225) – Level 4 Wizard – Oaken Stave
SPECIAL 7x Wardancers (135) – 5x Additional Hand Weapons – 2x Throwing Spear – Bladesinger – Standard Bearer – Musician 7x Wild Riders (203) – Shields – Musician
RARE 1x Great Eagle (60) 1x Treeman (215)
Peter: Then we’ve got Elves……
Plus, this list features another monster and the Talisman of Protection again. That Eagle is the perfect war machine hunter.
Dave: Dragons and ToP do seem to be a big part of the developing meta, and that may well why Tomb Kings look strong, with access to a cheap Monster Slayer in the Scorpion.
I guess that’s the purpose of them, and that would allow the Wood Elves to better control the tempo.
The Dragon Lord is effective in challenges and so may be used as an assassin in some match-ups.
Peter: Interesting low model count on this one.
Dave: Yes, small but very effective and lean.
Peter: Both lists so far also feature a lot of bows.
Dave: Yes, and neither look like they’ll give up points easily.
I’m interested in the Treemen pick as it’s not something I’d looked at closely. It’s a big stompy terror causer with some interesting but swingy short-range shooting. A terror causer is always nice, but it’s a little slow. I do wonder if it was used as an anvil or as a distraction carnifex.
Perer: I think it’s likely a distraction more than anything. With the few models on the table, I imagine he wants the enemy to focus on the treeman and Dragon so as not to whittle down their numbers too much.
Dave: Important to remember too that the Wood Elves can use trees to block up enemy units and also magically move their characters for a bit of bait and switch.
CHARACTERS Royal Herald (126) – Shield – Skeletal Chariot Settra The Imperishable, The Great King Of Nehekhara (445) Tomb King (279) – Great Weapon – Heavy Armour – Skeletal Chariot – Armour of the Ages – Talisman of Protection Mortuary Priest (85) – Level 2 Wizard
This army is fast. Lots of chariots and Knights, then a large block of infantry marching up the centre with the priest. Perhaps the aim being to get the impact hits and hit the enemy hard enough in the early game so that they struggle to keep up in the later turns?
Dave: I think you may well be right. Interesting bit of rules-tech, Killing Blow works on Infantry and Cavalry and Monster Slayer works on monsters….. Well, Chariots drive straight through the middle of that (loophole?) and aren’t affected by either. This means one of the natural predators of the big mounted character isn’t effective.
I really like the Icon of Rakaph on the Tomb Guard. A single free reform at any point in its movement will help get that big block where and how you want it.
The Necrosphinx is nice, a good source of Monster Slayer to keep Dragons honest.
Rampaging Banner on the Chariots is also a nice touch. The reroll charge gives more dependability to a high point unit that really needs to make those charges to get value.
CHARACTERS Chaos Lord (566) – General – Great Weapon – Shield – Chaos Dragon – Mark of Chaos Undivided – Favour of the Gods – Crown of Everlasting Conquest – Enchanting Aura Exalted Sorcerer (175) – Mark of Tzeentch – Level 2 Wizard – Battle Magic – Spell Familiar – Ruby Ring of Ruin Sorcerer Lord (250) – Heavy Armour – Mark of Tzeentch – Level 4 Wizard – Battle Magic – Spell Faniliar
CORE 9x Chaos Marauders (71) – Skirmishers – Mark of Khorne – Flails – Marauder Chieftain 5x Chaos Warhounds (30) 14x Chaos Warriors (236) – Shield – Mark of Tzeentch – Musician – Standard Bearer 6x Marauder Horsemen (82) – Mark of Khorne – Flails – Marauder Horsemaster
SPECIAL 1x Chaos Chariot (110) – Mark of Chaos Undivided 3x Chaos Ogres (126) – Mark of Khorne – Great Weapons – Champion 1x Dragon Ogre (70) – Shartak – Great Weapon
RARE 1x Chaos Giant (200)
Peter: Then, finally, we have one of your favourite factions, I believe. There is no Talisman here, but we do have another monster.
Dave: Yeah, the Chaos Lord doesn’t need the ToP as their Chaos Armour already gives them the 5+ Ward. They’ve supplemented that with 5+ Regeneration from the Crown of Everlasting Conquest and Enchanting Aura to force Strikes Last on opponents. Nasty.
I’ve tried a variation on this list with the bunkered Tzeentch Sorcerers, though I opted for Daemonology.
The Tzeentch Warriors block will buff the Sorcerers if they join it with a +1 to cast while the spell familiar gives them an extra spell. This build can pump out magic missiles at high casting values, plus the Ruby Ring adds in a little more.
I suspect the small Marauder unit and Marauder Horseman unit may be used a bit like missiles. That horseman unit can churn out attacks, and I’ve seen minotaurs suffer under their attention.
There’s still some nice chaff, though in the hounds and even the Dragon Ogre. Let’s not forget that the Dragon Ogre can also challenge.
Chaos Chariots are excellent, in my opinion, and also surprisingly durable. Ogres are Ogres, but Mark of Khorne makes them that bit more Killy.
Finally, I love a giant. They’re fun, they’re cool, and I’ve taken one in every game I’ve played bar one.
Following our post two weeks ago, we announced that we would be looking at the Old World stats. Since then we’ve received numerous requests for updates.
With around 3-4 tournaments each weekend, the data is gathering at a steady pace. However, all the events have been single day tournaments so far. We’ve yet to have the first 2 day event come through.
All of the current data are for events hosted on Best Coast Pairings, Stats and Ladders and Ecksen. Our thanks goes to these sites for their continued support with our stats projects.
The points size for one day events varies, but 2,000 points appears to be the most common limit at present. However, without any GW events having taken place yet, there are a few at smaller point values.
All of these results have been used in the stats to date. As we gather more data we will begin to split out the Grand Tournaments from the rest of the pack. We may also split out the 2,000 point RTT (single day) events. But we’re happy to be led by the community on this. We would love suggestions as to what you would like to see.
Faction Data
We’ve chosen a minimum limit of 60 games featuring the faction, for them to be included in the statistics. With the games being drawn from single day events, this means it represents a minimum of 20 players per faction. This should provide a varied enough data set in terms of individual skill.
We calculate the win rates by adding the number of game wins and half their number of draws. We then divide the result by the factions total games to give a win percentage.
There are a number of factions who haven’t yet managed the 60 game target. These are;
Beastmen Brayherds – 29 Games Played Chaos Dwarfs – 23 Games Played Daemons of Chaos – 35 Games Played Dark Elves – 36 Games Played Lizardmen – 26 Games Played Ogre Kingdoms – 38 Games Played Skaven – 23 Games Played
I can reveal out of the above, only two of those factions are outside the ideal 45-55% win rate range.
So out of the gate, the stats look very good. Tomb Kings are at 66%, but this is a good result. Especially considering this is a new system and Games Workshop haven’t done any balance updates as yet. Only three factions so far are outside the 45-55% win rate range. With two of those only marginally outside that bracket.
In terms of popularity, the Kingdom of Bretonnia is the most popular faction. Followed by the Orc and Goblin Tribes and Warriors of Chaos, both of which have always been popular in Warhammer Fantasy.
There we have it, is there any specific data you’d like to see included in the future? If so, drop us a comment below.
